Comments on: The Era of Bad Feelings Infects the Democratic Party http://thestrangedeathofliberalamerica.com/the-era-of-bad-feelings-grows-worse.html An Independent Netzine About Ideas Tue, 31 Jan 2012 15:20:35 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1 By: liberalamerican http://thestrangedeathofliberalamerica.com/the-era-of-bad-feelings-grows-worse.html/comment-page-1#comment-9830 liberalamerican Tue, 17 Jun 2008 05:08:29 +0000 http://thestrangedeathofliberalamerica.com/the-era-of-bad-feelings-grows-worse.html#comment-9830 Good to have you back! I had missed your comments. The Powderhorn incident you mention is nothing compared to the way the DFL ramrodded the Kerry nomination through. At my caucus we were told to vote for Kerry or we would be jeopardizing Minnesota's future because Kerry would remember we had voted against him. I did not think Kerry could win because I had been tipped off the Swift Boat ads were coming plus he flat out was not the best candidate. Of course the Minnesota classic was the first Wellstone campaign where the state establishment left him out to dry thinking there was no way he would win. Good to have you back! I had missed your comments. The Powderhorn incident you mention is nothing compared to the way the DFL ramrodded the Kerry nomination through. At my caucus we were told to vote for Kerry or we would be jeopardizing Minnesota’s future because Kerry would remember we had voted against him. I did not think Kerry could win because I had been tipped off the Swift Boat ads were coming plus he flat out was not the best candidate. Of course the Minnesota classic was the first Wellstone campaign where the state establishment left him out to dry thinking there was no way he would win.

]]> By: tenacitus http://thestrangedeathofliberalamerica.com/the-era-of-bad-feelings-grows-worse.html/comment-page-1#comment-9829 tenacitus Mon, 16 Jun 2008 21:27:34 +0000 http://thestrangedeathofliberalamerica.com/the-era-of-bad-feelings-grows-worse.html#comment-9829 As usual Strange Death you say many things that I find true, others that I did not realize before and you always express your opinion in an engaging, well written & interesting way. Though I was never a Hillary supporter I can understand why some of her people might want to vote for McKinney, Nader, or write in Hillary. Though I really think any Hillarista who is considering voting for McCain was most likely a conservative anyway who just supported Ms. Clinton because she was a woman (nothing wrong with that). I have been thinking of a local race in the Powderhorn neighborhood when the democratic machine wanted Jeff Hayden to run for the seat in 61B. Some woman who was also sought the DFL endorsement was bullied into silence by Jeff's supporters (though not by him). Personally I thought the lady who was running was not a good candidate but trying to make her shut up was wrong to do as a neighbor, a democrat and just not the right way to treat another human being. Now if her or other folks in my neighborhood remember this next time the DFL needs people to come out behind something they will find it harder to get enthusiastic supporters. I am not a democrat but I believe in community action and small communal democracy, I guess that the whole thing bothers me because in Powderhorn I am seeing the same things that came between Hillary's supporters and Obama's people albeit on a smaller scale. Like you I wish that there was more discourse between folks who disagreed without being disagreeable. Though it might not be possible to do that between conservatives & liberals at least liberals should be able to solve their internal problems without being hateful, racist or sexist to each other. As usual Strange Death you say many things that I find true, others that I did not realize before and you always express your opinion in an engaging, well written & interesting way. Though I was never a Hillary supporter I can understand why some of her people might want to vote for McKinney, Nader, or write in Hillary. Though I really think any Hillarista who is considering voting for McCain was most likely a conservative anyway who just supported Ms. Clinton because she was a woman (nothing wrong with that).

I have been thinking of a local race in the Powderhorn neighborhood when the democratic machine wanted Jeff Hayden to run for the seat in 61B. Some woman who was also sought the DFL endorsement was bullied into silence by Jeff’s supporters (though not by him). Personally I thought the lady who was running was not a good candidate but trying to make her shut up was wrong to do as a neighbor, a democrat and just not the right way to treat another human being. Now if her or other folks in my neighborhood remember this next time the DFL needs people to come out behind something they will find it harder to get enthusiastic supporters.

I am not a democrat but I believe in community action and small communal democracy, I guess that the whole thing bothers me because in Powderhorn I am seeing the same things that came between Hillary’s supporters and Obama’s people albeit on a smaller scale.

Like you I wish that there was more discourse between folks who disagreed without being disagreeable. Though it might not be possible to do that between conservatives & liberals at least liberals should be able to solve their internal problems without being hateful, racist or sexist to each other.

]]> By: Hathor http://thestrangedeathofliberalamerica.com/the-era-of-bad-feelings-grows-worse.html/comment-page-1#comment-9818 Hathor Sat, 14 Jun 2008 17:30:26 +0000 http://thestrangedeathofliberalamerica.com/the-era-of-bad-feelings-grows-worse.html#comment-9818 I don't have any particular ax to grind with Senator Clinton, but in this race she was not just the woman candidate. I think one of the things that imminent in the founders mind is that this country would not be ruled as a monarchy. It seems now that some of the public is willing to pass government down through families. Yes it has happen before, but not as such close intervals. I think many were thinking that they would get an extension of President Clinton or her thinking would be not independent of his. Maybe some voted because it was a familiar name. If the feminist wanted a candidate, they have had several elections to push a candidate. There are women who have had much more experience and not as much baggage. They would have to work hard at it. I think Sen. Clinton feminist supporters thought it would be a slam dunk. I don't know what world they were living in if they thought that misogyny was dead. I don’t have any particular ax to grind with Senator Clinton, but in this race she was not just the woman candidate.

I think one of the things that imminent in the founders mind is that this country would not be ruled as a monarchy. It seems now that some of the public is willing to pass government down through families. Yes it has happen before, but not as such close intervals. I think many were thinking that they would get an extension of President Clinton or her thinking would be not independent of his. Maybe some voted because it was a familiar name. If the feminist wanted a candidate, they have had several elections to push a candidate. There are women who have had much more experience and not as much baggage. They would have to work hard at it. I think Sen. Clinton feminist supporters thought it would be a slam dunk. I don’t know what world they were living in if they thought that misogyny was dead.

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